Happy Pride with Guest Katharine Saneaha

It’s Pride Month! 

This week on Sadie and Scott we’re joined by Katharine Saneaha, the creator behind @all.things.mummy on TikTok.

Katharine shares life with her wife, Anna and their two kids, giving people a funny, honest, and heartwarming look at parenting, family life, and what it means to be part of a two-mom family.

We talk about Pride, representation, raising kids, the beautifully chaotic parts of family life, and the assumptions people make about LGBTQ+ families. We also get into the everyday parenting moments that unite all families, like missing shoes, emotional outfit changes, snacks nobody wants, and trying to get everyone out the door without losing your mind.

It’s a conversation about love, family, identity, parenting, and the kind of chaos that somehow still makes a great memory later.

Plus, as always, Scott and Sadie try their best to stay on topic. Results may vary.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

You know what I noticed from last week's episode?

SPEAKER_00 0:03

Yeah, what's up?

SPEAKER_02 0:04

Oh, did I interrupt your new line?

SPEAKER_00 0:05

Yeah, look at my eyes, they're all watery now.

SPEAKER_02 0:08

I'm puffy, too.

SPEAKER_00 0:09

I know, very puffy.

SPEAKER_02 0:11

So you know what I noticed from last week's episode as I was listening to it, just you know, for quality control, but I still am entertained by our content. Okay. I noticed I said a lot of bad swears.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

You do swear a lot.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

I know, but this was like really like I'm really gonna make an honest effort not to fucking swear. Oh. Did I do that on by purpose?

SPEAKER_00 0:33

You do the cookie jar.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

What's oh, put a dollar and a loony in the cookie jar? Yeah. No. No. Well, A, I don't carry cash, so does the jar accept debit?

SPEAKER_00 0:43

Yes, sure.

SPEAKER_02 0:48

That's a good idea. So we're in uh we're in Pride Month.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

We are happy Pride month.

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Happy Pride, everyone. Um I've got a t-shirt on right now.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

You do. You made some pretty spiffy t-shirts.

SPEAKER_02 1:01

I did. I designed this all all on my own.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

All well, what do you but hold on? What I think I that was part of a conversation that we had.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

It was, but I designed the t-shirt. You did design the t-shirt. Okay, so just for the just because we're not a video podcast, Sadie and I have spoken about we speak a lot. About doing a pride t-shirt with a flamingo on it because a group of flamingos is called a pride? Oh my god. A group of flamingos is called a flamboyance. I know what's so I just I'm gonna put it up on our TikTok page. I'm gonna put it up on our TikTok page. So it's a flamingo with sunglasses on.

SPEAKER_00 1:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

Wearing a pride t-shirt.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

I think you're gonna get some orders.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

They weren't cheap, to be honest. But I I you know what I am, I do expect like because all well, you can't make it, which we're gonna get into because you're just so busy. Muffy. I'm too busy for the parade.

unknown 2:03

Stop.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

So no, we're uh if somebody does ask I guarantee you somebody's gonna say, hey man, where'd you get that t-shirt?

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Yeah, no, they're cool.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

And I'm gonna say, I I did it myself, and they're $120.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

And you and the whole family are gonna go to the room.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

We're all there's gonna be like, I think, five, six, seven, eight of us all wearing pri these t-shirts. I won't be there. Well, you could be if you weren't so important.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

No, what time are you going?

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Like uh it starts tomorrow at like 10 a.m. Yeah. It's like 10 and then all afternoon. I think it goes into the evening. Last year, the evening part wasn't very good. Nobody showed up. I think everybody was exhausted from the daytime part. But uh regardless, we're gonna celebrate Pride. And today we've got a guest on the show.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

We do.

SPEAKER_02 2:48

So we're gonna get into our guests in just a few minutes. Um, I did want to play a game. Do you want to play a quick game? It's a TikTok trend.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

If I say no, are we still gonna play? Well, this kind of feeds Yes, of course we are. Then absolutely do I ever want to play a game, Scott.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

This feeds into uh your history.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

My history.

SPEAKER_02 3:12

Of being a world famous comedian actress. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:17

You look so impressed with yourself right now.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

I'm not. I'm not. You are very impressed with it. I suck at my computer, I suck at the buttons.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

No, you have this little grin. Like you made an amazing game.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

I did, it's fun.

SPEAKER_00 3:30

I know, I could tell by your life.

SPEAKER_02 3:31

But I didn't create it.

SPEAKER_00 3:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

I'm stealing it from TikTok, but everybody does it. So it's a TikTok trend.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Okay. We love trends.

SPEAKER_02 3:38

We're going to um we're gonna kind of like go into your skills as a former famous comedian. You know I hate doing this, Scott. Alright, so I'm gonna give you a sentence and I'm gonna give you an emotion, and you have to do it.

SPEAKER_00 3:54

Like, oh, are you talking about the the the gay brother and on TikTok? The really flamboyant man, and he goes he does all those skits with his brother.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

No.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

Oh god, I I don't even know if I uh have their name. Oh, it's so funny. Anyway, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

All right, so we'll look it up in a second, but I'm gonna give you a phrase and I'm gonna give you the way that you have to act it out. And you're not allowed to embellish the sentence. This is just one sentence. And the sentence is I just shit my pants. Okay. Okay. So I'm gonna you you gotta dig deep back into acting so.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

Oh, I'm I'm digging deep.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

You're on the set of Love You Like Christmas, starring Sadie and I'm gonna be able to do it. The only one that you mentioned Well, there's other ones I can't mention.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

Um, because of copyright and or other things. Okay. Uh, but Love You Like Christmas is my favorite Christmas movie. All right, so I just shit my pants. I want you to say it angry. Be angry.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

I just shit my pants.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

Angry, very good. Okay, now be confused.

SPEAKER_00 5:08

I just shit I just shit my pants.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

Do it that you're proud of it. You're proud.

SPEAKER_00 5:22

I just shit my pants.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Okay, do it like a do it like a news anchor.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

A news anchor. I like twitching. Okay, okay. Uh I just shit my pants.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

Now do it seductively.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

I just shit my pants.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

Okay, now you last one. Do it like you're a customer service person.

SPEAKER_00 6:03

I just shit my pants.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

I don't even know what that means. Like a customer service voice, you know, on the you know, thank you for calling.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

Oh, oh, okay. I just shit my pants. I don't know. That one's weird. That one's weird. I don't particularly press one for shitting your pants. Press two for taking a doo-doo.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

Can you imagine cousin? I don't know what this has to do with our Pride Week episode. Thank you for playing that game with me.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

No problem. No problem at all.

SPEAKER_02 6:40

All right, let's. Alright, are you ready to start?

SPEAKER_00 6:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

Welcome everyone to Oh god, I sounded like a strip joint DJ again.

SPEAKER_00 6:56

Yeah, you did.

SPEAKER_02 6:57

Welcome. That's the that's you should make me say.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:01

Welcome everyone to that sounded better. Welcome everyone to Sadie and Scott. Maybe I'll do it angry. Welcome everyone to Sadie and Scott. Uh my name is Scott. I'm one of your hosts.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

I'm Sadie, the other one.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

Hi, Sadie. Hi, Scott. It's Pride Month.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

It is. Happy Pride.

SPEAKER_02 7:22

Happy Pride. I am so excited to go down to our local pride parade.

SPEAKER_00 7:26

You are.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

Yeah. Um, honestly, like the um you just never like you never think that things like this would go on in a little town, but it's it's just all across Ontario anyway.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:38

Um, and we're gonna meet some of our friends down there. We're all wearing the same t-shirts. But we've also got a very special guest on the show today.

SPEAKER_00 7:45

We do.

SPEAKER_02 7:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

Yes, we do.

SPEAKER_02 7:47

Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

It's time to bring on our guest.

SPEAKER_00 7:54

All right, let's do it. Are you excited? I am always excited to meet some new peeps.

SPEAKER_02 7:58

Really?

SPEAKER_00 7:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

I hate people.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

I know you do.

SPEAKER_02 8:00

No, I love people.

SPEAKER_00 8:01

No, you don't. I pretend you like, you know, you pr well actually, yes, you do, but then you're you you have this grumpy thing that you like.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

It doesn't matter. People are people gravitate to me.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

They do because of my size.

SPEAKER_02 8:12

Yeah. They do.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

Because they're terrified of you.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

No, because they want they want a big bear hood. Not in that from back.

SPEAKER_00 8:17

Not in that flamboyant shirt you're wearing, though.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

Well, yes, when we mentioned I'm wearing my pride t-shirt, which goes right in line with our guest.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

It does.

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Today we're joined by Catherine Sanea, the creator uh behind all things mummy on TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 8:29

Sweet.

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Uh Catherine shares life with her wife Anna and their two kids, uh, giving people a fun, honest, and heartwarming look at parenting family life and what it means to be part of a two-mom family. Since it's Pride Month, we thought Catherine would be the perfect guest to talk about love, representation, raising kids, family chaos, which we all go through.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

Yes, we do.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

I don't, my kid's old.

SPEAKER_00 8:53

Yeah.

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And how pride takes off uh sorry, how pride takes on a whole new meaning uh when you're celebrating it as a family.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Uh Catherine, we're so happy to have you here. Welcome to Sadie and Scott. How are you?

SPEAKER_03 9:05

Hi, thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

Okay, so let's start off with Happy Pride.

SPEAKER_03 9:12

Thank you. That never gets old. Even if we're in the middle of June, it doesn't get old.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

It is. And this episode will actually air in about five days, which will be right towards the end, just before Toronto Pride.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

So which is the big one.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Hopefully we have yeah, hopefully we've got some people listening and they can join you on your TikTok and and because I believe you and Anna are going to go to Toronto Pride. Or you've already been to Toronto Pride.

SPEAKER_03 9:34

We're not that brave, okay? We are not that brave. We are too tired for that crowd. But we went to some pre-Pride events last weekend, which was like the St. Lawrence Market. Like that's our speed. You know, we want to be with the gays, picking out fresh cheeses, like we can't do the church street thing, okay?

SPEAKER_01 9:49

A little too chaotic.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

Cheese and the gays. Love it. Cheese and the gays. All right. It's a beautiful combo.

SPEAKER_02 9:56

It's a beautiful combo. Joe and I had a gay couple that used to live beside us when we were lived in Scarborough, as my mom calls it. Yeah. Uh, and we asked them once, you know, are you guys going down to Pride? And and one of them was like, Why the fuck would I want to go down there? There's too many weirdos. Meanwhile, he owned a bar on Church Street that was the bathhouse in the back.

SPEAKER_03 10:15

Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 10:15

Swear to God.

SPEAKER_03 10:16

Loves the business. Doesn't need to be there.

SPEAKER_02 10:18

He wanted to make money, not spend it and be. But he did, they were just like they were a well, you and Anna are a um a suburb family. Like sometimes you just don't want to go to the city. We live out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. You know, BF Ontario Coburg, but you you're a little bit closer to Toronto. Yeah. But you guys are suburbanites. Like going downtown must be like it's an endeavor.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Well, we have two two young kids, too, right? You gotta get the babysitter, then what are you gonna, you know, do you want to have a lot of people?

SPEAKER_03 10:49

Like the babysitter's a whole thing, okay? Like, and you have to use your babysitter wisely. And it's not gonna be to like be driving downtown. You know, I think in our 20s, we were there, we were it was so fun. And in your 20s, and when you're coming out and you're in that transition, pride on church street in Toronto is everything, it's your moment, right? It's what you face adversity for, and now it's like, okay, the jig is out. Like, I'm 36, it's been 18 years, you know. Like I'm good and I support it, and you know, I love everybody going down and being part of it, but I can appreciate from a distance.

SPEAKER_00 11:20

So, speaking on, you know, coming out, how how when did you come out? How old were you?

SPEAKER_03 11:27

I was 18.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

Did you always know?

SPEAKER_03 11:30

Yeah, I mean, I think hindsight is 2020. And my mom, when I came out, and there wasn't this like big formal moment, yeah. She was like, Yeah, we were waiting. Like, yeah, we saw the signs. Yeah, and now when I look back, I'm like, oh, my best friend in grade six is definitely a lesbian today, and there was my warning, and it was you know in bright red colors. Yeah. And so I think I always knew. And one of the tells was I just like wasn't boy crazy. And even though in high school, you know, I had a boyfriend and I gave it my all, and when my friends were having experiences in love and in dating, you know, those experiences weren't mine experiences. And it wasn't until actually the L-word, which shaped all young lesbians, really helped me understand my identity. And then it was actually in grade 12 in high school where I had my first girlfriend and I was exploring, and I realized like this is who I am, and this is going to be, you know, my new life, and my parents were so supportive. And whether they were having their own hesitations or confusion, they kept all of that to themselves, and on the surface, it was love and support.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

Right. That's good parenting, right there.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

It certainly is. And and shortly, so shortly after coming out, you met Anna online, I believe. Like you weren't too you were about 20, 21 when you guys met.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

Yep. I was 21 years old, Anna was 25, and the joke is that lesbians mate for life. Like you find your person, and we're penguins, literally, we're penguins, we met, we mate for life. So I met Anna when I was 21. She was 25. The great thing is that we had already had experiences coming out. We have, you know, lived through the hard part already. And so when we met each other, we could just focus on being in love in our relationship, where when you're first coming out, you know, those first girlfriends, those first years are hard, right? You're finding out who you are, they're finding out who they are. Maybe you're coming out to family and friends. And so to meet each other at a place where all of that was behind us, the hard stuff was over, it was beautiful. And yes, we met online and we met on a like a desktop computer. Like there, like we were BBMing. Like there was no app, there was no swiping. You had to like email each other. It was a whole different era of online dating. Actually, it's when you had to put the work in.

SPEAKER_02 13:59

Yeah, actually, Catherine's got a uh she has a pinned video on her TikTok that uh answers some of the questions that people have.

SPEAKER_01 14:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:07

And I think you said it was plenty of fish. I don't even know. I think that's I've never used a dating app because I didn't need to.

SPEAKER_00 14:13

Oh God.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

My wife came after me.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

Oh, of course she did. I went after Anna.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Well, so you guys met, and it you know what? This is where I think that there is such equality just across the board, which is basically two people fall in love, they want to get married. It's legal in Canada. Yeah. Fantastic. So take us through the journey to marriage and then also into um having the girls.

SPEAKER_03 14:39

Well, I think when I was coming out, something I really admire about my parents was they were like, okay, you're gonna love who you're gonna love. And you know, that's okay, but it cannot change the course of your life. You know, like you should still want the same values you've had up until this new identity, right? And it's you should want to find somebody who's gonna love you and support you. And, you know, you should buy a house and get married and have a career. The kids' idea came later, and I think it was just lack of exposure, not knowing that that was possible for us.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

So I mean It's also based on age a little bit too, right? I mean, you were you were very young. I mean, when I was 21, you know, I'm straight, but at 21, I wasn't thinking about kids.

SPEAKER_02 15:18

Well, the jury's still out on you, so shut up.

SPEAKER_03 15:21

Three kids later, we're still unsure. So we meet Anna and you know, we fall in love. And I think, you know, it was just natural. It was like, you know, we should get married. And at the time, we didn't know anybody, anybody gay that had been married, except for like Ellen de Generis. Okay, that was like, that was the key. That was the example. I was like, well, she can do it. And the beautiful thing about Anna and I is like, we believe wholeheartedly that we can do anything. So it's like, we want to get married, let's get married. It's legal, let's go for it. So we get engaged, and a big part of our coming out story is that my parents are there every step of the way. They're excited, they're supportive. And Anna unfortunately did not have the same experience.

SPEAKER_01 16:03

That's terrible.

SPEAKER_03 16:04

Yeah. So Anna came out multiple times. I think even on our wedding day, she was like still coming out, like, okay, we're really doing this. And Anna's parents, you know, being immigrants and coming to a country and just trying to survive, right? Trying to make a name for themselves, you know, gay couples, like that is not a part of the Southeast Asian culture, right? And they, and it was lack of exposure, not lack of understanding. And so I think at first they kind of thought it was a phase. They hoped Anna would grow out of it. Uh, when they came to partially realize that this is who my daughter is, she began to date women, she was introducing women to them, and they met me. And I think on the surface, they loved the idea of me, right? They were like, okay, you know, she's successful, she's ambitious, she has a great family, and yet deep down, they still didn't want that for Anna. And it wasn't about me, it's just they didn't want that for Anna.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:58

So we are dating four years. Anna buys a ring. We had gone to Thailand in Vietnam to see my brother. He was living in Vietnam at the time, and she had asked everybody on my side of the family, when we get back, is it okay? I'm gonna propose. I have to everybody's excited. And actually, okay, she actually made a video of her asking everybody, even my brother on the beach in Thailand. It was beautiful. Oh, that's awesome. So we get back and we don't see Anna's parents for a couple months. And you know, we're busy, we're like in our 20s, so like that's not like totally unusual. And when it came to our engagement, which was like a fairy tale engagement, Anna's parents weren't there, and yet my family was there, and our friends were there. And later that night, you know, you're sitting and you're processing it all. And I realized and I said, Anna, like, where were your family? Like, why wasn't anybody here? And she actually shared that the day she told them that she had bought a ring and that she was gonna propose, it became too much for them. Oh it became too much. And for the next two years, as we planned our wedding, we actually planned the wedding anticipating Anne's parents not being there. And so that was very hard because we are in this most exciting time in our life. We're planning a wedding, you know, we're beating all the odds, we're showing the world you can do this, and we're doing this without Anna's parents. And it wasn't until like the 11th hour that they came on board, they were at the wedding. Nobody had a better time at the wedding than Anna's parents. Talk about a turn of events, like nobody was more proud. And since then, you know, we've just built this beautiful life and they are our number one supporters now.

SPEAKER_02 18:35

That's fantastic. That's amazing. And so they were obviously, were they the typical grandparents? Or sorry, were they the typical parents that were like, listen, gay or straight? I want to be a grandparent. So giddy up.

SPEAKER_03 18:48

No, no. I and I think again, like we didn't even know how it was gonna work. So try to explain to like two immigrants that barely speak English that two women are gonna have a baby. They were like, just tell me when the baby's here.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

Like and you know what?

SPEAKER_03 19:02

Like, that's out of my wheelhouse. Okay, like I, you know, trying to explain to them how all that was gonna work. I think that there was some hesitation, like, okay, once Anna became pregnant and you know, it was real in their eyes and it was really gonna happen, everything changed. And yeah, they're they're the best grandparents in the world.

SPEAKER_02 19:21

That would honestly be my that would be my first question. You know, if Liam was to come out of the uh come out as gay, and uh if he said, you know, I'm I'm getting married to a to a this boy I met. Okay, well, when are you having kids because I want to be a grandfather and need somebody to spoil?

SPEAKER_00 19:38

Yeah, don't take this away from me.

SPEAKER_02 19:41

Yeah, that would be like and you know, it's it that to me, I don't give a shit. Yeah, like you guys go well, whoever men would normally adopt, right? So or they would find a surrogate where you guys do you mind if I ask a question? And I don't know, you can don't have to answer this, but was the donor the same for both for both kids?

SPEAKER_03 20:01

Yeah, this is something we actually just recently started talking about. So they're not the same donor, and it's something that was a very heartbreaking experience for us because when we had Audrey, the plan always was to use the same donor. And the donor for Audrey is Caucasian, which is a beautiful representation of our family, right? So Audrey is half Caucasian and half Asian, and it was a bit of a conversation at first when we had the hopes to use that same donor. Because if I was to carry, there would no, there wouldn't be that half Asian representation. And so when the time came to have Chloe and we called the fertility clinic and they said, okay, get your decks in a row, you know, get the donor sample. The donor was out of stock.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

Okay, there was no sorry.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

Oh my god, I can't no that is so please allow four to six weeks for delivery.

SPEAKER_03 20:56

Literally like back ordered. So, like I'm gonna turn and I'm like, no, no, no, this can't be. Okay, so we get on the horn, and often with sperm banks, there's a private reserve where, okay, we're not donating, you know, to new families, but there's a private reserve for existing siblings, right? And so I'm like, okay, there must be a private reserve. So we get on the horn, and the sperm bank is like, no, sorry, like there's no inventory. And so having a second child was a big conversation, right? Because now they're not biologically related. And, you know, what does that look like? What do those conversations look like in the future? And you know, we decided to go forward, and it was a beautiful thing because we actually found a Lao donor.

SPEAKER_02 21:37

Oh, okay, that's good.

SPEAKER_03 21:38

A what donor?

SPEAKER_02 21:39

A Lao.

SPEAKER_03 21:40

Yeah, Anna's Lao, so she's from Laos, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

It's a country in EE State.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

So I thought you said a Lao. I didn't know what Laos was until I met him.

SPEAKER_02 21:50

Literally on the w western border of Vietnam. Laos. Laos.

SPEAKER_03 21:54

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

Yes, no, because I was gonna ask because Chloe does have um her eyes to represent. Uh Asian culture. So I was gonna ask if you had found somebody from Asia for a donor.

SPEAKER_03 22:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

It is a perfect thing for the family.

SPEAKER_03 22:08

It actually worked out perfectly. You know, it was it was the universe's plan.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

So how old are how old are how old are your children? Five and three. Do you w do you have conversations with your wife about, you know, how are how are you going to speak to your children on this at you know what age? Like, I mean, those conversations are really big conversations you must have about what you're going to, you know, talk to your kids about and how they came to be here and and whatnot. Like, how do you broach that? That's a good question.

SPEAKER_03 22:43

Yeah. This is a conversation we never even had. The thing about Anna is we jump in two feet first, right? And so we knew the conversation was gonna find us. Of course. And it's it started a little bit with Audrey already. So Audrey, Anna stayed home until she was three years old, and then she went to preschool. And in those first three years, it was COVID. And so, you know, there wasn't a lot of exposure to family outside of our immediate circle. And so, of course, she watches television and you know, she sees dads. Like that's we're not trying to hide the fact that other people have dads. And so when she went to preschool, she started noticing, you know, dad's at pickup and dad's in this more like front-facing prominent role. And yet we still never brought it up, right? Like we just thought that conversation will find us when it's timed. And I'll never forget I was at a red light. I had just picked Audrey up from preschool. And she said to me, Mommy, why don't I have a dad? And I thought, oh my God, okay. And you just never know when those and that's parenthood. Like you just nothing prepares you. And so I said to her, Well, you have two moms. And she goes, Yeah, but where is my dad? And I said, You don't have a dad, you have two moms, and every family is different. And I got to pull on so many amazing examples, even with our immediate family. You know, Anna's brother-in-law is a single dad, right? And we have other two mom families in our circle. And so at that time, at three years old, what was relevant in her mind and what was age appropriate was that there's so many different ways to make a family, right? And so right now, Audrey knows that you can have two moms, you can have one dad. You know, she has friends at school that have one mom. And so she sees uniqueness in family. She has not asked yet, and I don't think she understands how families come to be and how life comes to be. Of course. That question is on the horizon, and I know that that question is coming. Yeah. And, you know, we're gonna be as honest as we can appropriate for her, you know, at five or six years old, right? Like we had helped making our family, and there was someone very special that helped us make our family. And the beautiful thing about sperm donors is that when you're going through a fertility clinic, you have two options. You can choose a donor who legally you cannot contact. Okay. So you cannot have any contact with them. Uh, you know, there's no rights there. Or you can choose a donor that says, yes, you know what, in the right circumstance, in the right chain of command through lawyers and through the fertility clinic, you are welcome to contact me. And we chose donors that have open contact because who am I to close that door for my daughters? Of course. You know, who am I? Everybody has that wonder of, you know, where did I come from and what is beyond me? And if at 18 that wonder is there, they are welcome to go and take that journey. And it doesn't mean that the donor will respond or provide all the information they're hoping for, but that window is there.

SPEAKER_00 25:37

Will you wait till your children uh to your girls ask you that, or will you offer that information to them when they become of a legal age?

SPEAKER_03 25:45

I think that conversation is probably gonna happen in the next couple of years. Oh, really? I think that, you know, as they're having sex ed and as they're talking about life and conception, I think that that conversation is going to have to happen. And I'm excited for that conversation because they should know. And there's no shame in how we made our family.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

None at all. You it's not something you hide, it's something you celebrate.

SPEAKER_03 26:06

Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

And if the girls, if Audre and Chloe want to go at 18 and pursue it themselves, they're already going to be mentally prepared for the fact that this man may not want to be part of my life because he wasn't part of the equation to begin with. He was just simply a donor.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

But it also allows them to be able to look at a face and go, Oh, you've got I've got your ears, I've got your nose.

SPEAKER_03 26:31

And there's so many photos. Oh, guys, and I don't even know if there's interest in me telling you like how you can choose the donor because it's like online dating. It's wild.

SPEAKER_01 26:39

Really?

SPEAKER_03 26:39

But we have a variety of photos of uh the donor from baby to adulthood. And so, yes, yes. Uh, and one of our boundaries is that nobody in our personal life has seen photos of the donor. So that's something that's like very personal for us. But we can't wait to show the kids one day because even now, as the kids are growing, we're starting to see those features, right? Yeah, and so uh yeah, all of that information is there, and you know, photos are there, and and it's just about when the time is right.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

Nobody's ever asked me to be a donor.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

I think it, I think, I think it's too late, Scott.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

Well, it's never too late for men, but it is too late for okay. So let's get into we've got we've got the kids now, and I want to touch a little bit on your online activity, which is like this great um uh platform that is TikTok. It can be very good.

SPEAKER_00 27:36

It can also be very, very Yeah, I was gonna say you might Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:39

What made you decide to kind of document or chronicle your life as a two-mom family, which is literally in your username? Um, what made you decide to kind of and how long have you been doing TikTok? I think it's you know has it been years? Like I I've got to.

SPEAKER_00 27:54

Hold on, pause. You didn't call it the TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 27:57

Oh, sorry, the TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 27:58

Growth, God, growth. Oh yes, growth.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

So so let's start let's let's take it take us through your TikTok journey because that's where I've I first met you. I was like, oh, she's my BFF. She's totally coming to Cobert. I'm hanging out.

SPEAKER_03 28:11

Oh yeah, I'm totally doing the pod. Like, of course.

SPEAKER_02 28:14

Yeah, but although I had to comment a couple of times on other videos, hey, did you see my DM? I'm not a creep.

SPEAKER_03 28:21

God, you unlocked a whole side of TikTok. I didn't know that there was message requests. Oh, do you have like 45 sugar daddies asking if they can 75,000 followers?

SPEAKER_02 28:34

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 28:35

I had no idea. So, you know, 36. I'm still learning too.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

So, so 50.

SPEAKER_03 28:40

And then the 51st is like I need to get on the TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 28:44

Oh, jeez, Sadie.

SPEAKER_00 28:45

I need to get on the TikTok.

SPEAKER_02 28:46

You just need to be on the TikTok because it's where all the cool kids hang out.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Sadie's not on TikTok? Um I I you know, no, I'm not.

SPEAKER_02 28:53

She's too busy.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

I just I'm old.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

I don't know. I'm 76 years old and I'm on TikTok.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

I do Facebook. It's so old. I know.

SPEAKER_02 29:02

That's why you're a pentageny.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

That's how old I am. I know. TikTok seems overwhelming to me. No, it doesn't. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

No, it's fucking addictive though. It really, really is. It's you just, oh my God. Like I've been I've I've smoked like five cigarettes. I gotta get inside. I've been to what the hell is going on?

SPEAKER_03 29:17

I need to make this recipe and I need to go to this restaurant.

SPEAKER_02 29:20

I gotta send these 42 to my wife while she's sending me 42. So let's go to your TikTok journey.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

Language.

SPEAKER_02 29:25

What was your thought process? Like, was it something that you started off with like, come with me as I go to Costco? Or is it, hey, I'm gonna start a TikTok channel and it's gonna be about a two-mom family and it's gonna help people learn.

SPEAKER_03 29:38

No.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 29:39

So, okay, so first let's start in my social journey and it because it didn't start on TikTok. So when Anna and I were trying to have Audrey, Anna had a very hard time. She went through a couple miscarriages. It took her seven rounds of IUI. We did a round of IVF. Like it was heartbreaking, and we felt so incredibly isolated and alone because we didn't know anybody going through this. It's not until you're in the infertility world where you realize that it's more common than people think, right? And there's a whole community out there. And so we actually found an Instagram community, the TTC community, the trying to conceive of women, whether they were straight, whether they were in same-sex relationships, just trying to get pregnant and living the fertility life. And so we actually started a secret Instagram page where we documented our whole IUI, IVF fertility journey, and we built this amazing community. And I fell in love with content creation. So we have Audrey and we pause on the Instagram page, right? The goal was kind of met. We we had this community supporting us, the world shuts down, and everybody's on TikTok. Everybody's dancing, it's like a lawless land, it's such a fun place to be. We're at home. And so we're loving watching TikToks, and we think, okay, we got this newborn, we're home, there's nowhere else to go. We're gonna start a TikTok page. And so we started just with like silly funny videos. We didn't document anything, we were doing it just for fun, and we kind of took off. And I think, you know, there was just so many people chronically online. There was this appetite for, you know, same-sex couples, and so we built quite the following. When the world opened back up and we, you know, went about our daily life. We stopped TikTok, we deleted all the content. I never thought I would see the page again. You deleted it? We deleted it. We deleted all the content. Why? Everything. I just felt like this isn't something I want to pursue. Like this was fun and it kept us busy and it like helped us through the dark days of COVID. But like I have to go back to my real job now. And like, you know, we're in like the trenches of motherhood. It just wasn't something I ever aspired to continue. And yet, it has always been on my heart since I was a teenager to make content and be a content creator. I think any millennial who grew up with like the makeup YouTube videos, you secretly want that, right? You're like getting ready every morning, you're like, this could be me, and you're like narrating in your head. And so, anyways, I put that dream aside, and you just think, like, I couldn't do it, like I don't have a voice, like, what would I even do? And last year, around February, March, I looked in the mirror and I said, Katherine, how well are you gonna put this dream off? Like, just do it. Like, what are you so scared of? Um, the whole world watching. But just try, just try. And so I said to Anna, I'll never forget, I said, babe, I'm gonna make content. And she was like, Okay. I was like, I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try. I'm gonna go on TikTok. And so I actually didn't start as a two-mom family handle. I actually just started with grocery hauls. To me, it was low-hanging fruit. The audience loved it. I loved watching people's grocery hauls, and so I started with Walmart hauls and Costco hauls, and I built this really great audience. And I then started to pepper in my life. And unfortunately, what happened is I would like gain a hundred followers. I would post Anna, I would post something about being a two-mom family, and I would lose seven followers. Wow. And it's continued to be this journey where, you know, I'm trying to blend my audiences now because there's an audience who loves my grocery hauls. And now there's this new audience who loves that I'm a two-mom family, right? And then, you know, as I start to expand my content, you're bringing in new people along the way. And now we're trying to come together and I'm trying to build this page. And I've put in my handle mom, like, two mom family warning. Okay. But I also now want to take content to a place where I can be the representation or the aspiration for any of these younger people coming out thinking, what is my life gonna look like? Like, could this be me? And it's been so fun.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

So I have a question. Okay, so in one of Catherine's Costco hauls, yeah, she and Anna and the girls went to Costco, loaded stuff into the cart, and and Catherine asked Anna, you know, at the end of the video, hey, babe, how much did we spend? And I was so proud of you, by the way, because I'm Was it under 500? It was $198.

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Oh, yeah, baby.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

Every time I will like what kind of a crazy person goes to So Joe, my wife Joanna is not allowed to go to Costco without supervision.

SPEAKER_00 34:17

It's a problem.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

She once went to buy muffins and spent a thousand dollars. And I said, You're not allowed in that store. And I won't go into Costco because I am too big and there's too many carts and there's too many people, and I'll just end up committing like a scar.

SPEAKER_03 34:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:32

Come on.

SPEAKER_03 34:33

Wait, Costco was a mindset. I love Costco.

SPEAKER_02 34:37

I told a story in a couple episodes ago about going to Costco, just get that stupid movie ticket.

SPEAKER_00 34:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:43

Ridiculous.

SPEAKER_00 34:43

Well, I have three boys, and a lot of kids come to my house uh to eat.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

So Costco is Do you send invoices to their parents?

SPEAKER_00 34:51

I know, I should. I know. I just made a whole snack cupboard in the teenage room. I know. Oh my gosh. Why are you not on TikTok documenting this?

SPEAKER_03 34:58

Catherine, I had I had 13.

SPEAKER_00 35:01

Like 13 kids uh last Friday sleeping at my house. Like I have upwards to like eight to I would say 12 on average on a Friday side, right?

SPEAKER_02 35:10

Were they up in the loft or the living room?

SPEAKER_00 35:12

They were in the lull.

SPEAKER_02 35:13

They were in the loft. So let's get into um something you touched on. You get in, you talk about I by the way, I do love your grocery hauls. And uh I do watch the get ready with me. I need something, I need some on my notes.

SPEAKER_03 35:28

And this is new content that I'm testing because I see the girls on TikTok. They're doing the get ready with me. I'm like, okay, do people want to do people want to get ready with me? Let's see.

SPEAKER_00 35:34

But then they they have to clean your bathroom. You have to like I just I don't know. She doesn't need a car.

SPEAKER_03 35:39

Oh, you do it in the cars on the roll.

SPEAKER_02 35:41

She's a salesperson. All sales reps do everything in the car. It's their office.

SPEAKER_03 35:46

You don't want to see my car.

SPEAKER_02 35:47

Well, you apparently she goes to the East Coast and you don't like the Ford Bronco, apparently. You were very adamant that you thought it was too big.

SPEAKER_03 35:53

No business driving a Ford Bronco. Even yesterday I was in Thunder Bay and they go, Oh, is an F-150 okay? No. No, no. I picture you in like a little like Mini Cooper. Babe, I need a sedan. Like what I drive an SUV because I have two kids at home. But you know, when I want a rental, I need like just give me something cute and compact. An F-150, are you parking it for me? Okay, Captain.

SPEAKER_02 36:14

That's funny. When I travel, I I get the out F-150. Uh, yeah, please.

SPEAKER_00 36:19

Have you ever driven a minivan? I know it's hard to wrap your head around accepting a minivan in your life, but once you get one, it's a game changer. Game changer.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

Game safer, right? This is a safe space. You need to admit something. We have our eyes on the Toyota Sienna. I don't know if it's age. I don't know what happened, but a couple weeks ago we saw an all-black Toyota Sienna drive past us and we looked at each other and like no words were needed. We've been goo like I don't, I think I'm a minivan mom. I think I'm a haircut. I feel like I could do it.

SPEAKER_00 36:52

Yeah, you're gonna be. You're gonna once you go, once you go minivan, you never go back. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 36:57

I said pardon. I said pardon. Well, I've driven vans before.

SPEAKER_00 37:01

They're great.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 37:03

Maybe the storage? I mean, and you know what? When you go to say the beach, you should come to Coburg Beach, by the way. I will meet you. Uh, you can you your kids can stand up and like run around in the vehicle while you're changing them. While you're oh that's safe. No, well, no, we're gonna be able to do that. The car is parked.

SPEAKER_02 37:20

Oh, sure. That's you forgot to mention the car. Well, sorry, the car is parked in. Roll down a 401 like this.

SPEAKER_00 37:25

No, it's brilliant. It's brilliant. All the seats like roll down in it. You can put go camping in it. Oh, you'll love it. Do it.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

Did you get an in like a paid endorsement from Chrysler? You need to tell me about it?

SPEAKER_00 37:38

No, just get the minivan, okay?

SPEAKER_02 37:40

I drive an SUV because I'm big and fat. No, you don't. And I need the space. I do. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 37:46

Anna and I both drive SUVs, but I I don't think I can get Anna in a minivan, but we're trying.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

Actually, the Toyota scanner does not look like a minivan. It looks like a streamlined SUV. It just happens to have sliding doors instead of opening doors.

SPEAKER_03 37:59

This is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 38:00

Yeah, it's a Toyota. So it's a good, reliable brand, Sadie. Along with your cross through. Okay, so I I want to touch on this because you mentioned it. For every one viewer you got, sometimes when you were talking about two moms, you would lose. Do you mind if we kind of like talk about hate because it is prevalent in our society? God, I'd love to meet some of the people online who think that they're so courageous behind their keyboard on the phone.

SPEAKER_03 38:24

Oh yeah, the keyboard warriors, right?

SPEAKER_02 38:26

And they they don't think that they can be harmed. And it's there's a psychological reason behind it, but we won't go into it. But how do you handle the hate and what what kind of what have you seen since you started your TikTok channel?

SPEAKER_03 38:39

This is my dog. Um, you know what? I've been very fortunate. The hate is stopping at the unfollow. Like I think they're just like, you know what, this isn't the content for me. I don't want to see this on my FYP. And you know what? That's their FYP journey. That's okay. And so I've been fortunate enough that I haven't seen anything in the comments that I've had to deal with that's hurt my feelings. I have pretty thick skin. That will come as my page grows. You know, that's how you know you've made it. That's what I've been told, right? Yeah, yeah. Uh, but and so I'm kind of excited. I'm waiting for that day. But no, it stopped at the unfollow so far. And even outside of my life online, in my daily life, we haven't experienced that. And now I think it's largely due to I'm very feminine presenting. And so I don't, you know, have to deal with the same things that maybe Anna has to deal with, being a little bit more masculine presenting and you know, wearing boys' clothes and and things like that. But no, I haven't had to deal with that yet, but I'm sure it's coming.

SPEAKER_00 39:40

Can I just say I have to pee so bad? Sorry, Scott. I have to. I had a coffee. He made me drink a coffee. It's a it's the time of morning. Oh, it is. And I'm also super old.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

All right, we're back, Sadie.

SPEAKER_00 39:59

Oh, sorry. Your bladder feels my bladder was uh like destroying my my my words. I couldn't even talk. All I could all I all I could think about was having to pee. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

We've been there, we've been there.

SPEAKER_02 40:12

Listen, I like when you get wait till you're in your 70s and you gotta pee like every five minutes.

SPEAKER_00 40:16

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:17

I'm just lucky we got a really comfortable mattress and I sleep through the night now.

SPEAKER_00 40:21

Uh in your own pee?

SPEAKER_02 40:22

No, I don't actually pee, Sadie.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

Super diaper. I don't even know if they've come in your size.

SPEAKER_02 40:26

Like Donnie diaper does? Yeah? No. I know I'm No, we're not there yet. I don't have no, I'm not there yet. No, I don't I'm I'm not. What's the word? Incontinent?

SPEAKER_00 40:35

Incontinent, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:36

Big word.

SPEAKER_00 40:37

Big word.

SPEAKER_02 40:38

Yeah. All right. We only have a certain amount of time and and and we totally appreciate your time, but we know that you've got other things to do today. Sadie's kind of a big deal. I, on the other hand, am gonna go cut my grass because I took the day off work today. Um, how do you explain uh pride to Audrey and Chloe? And and what is the because you guys, you know, you took a well-deserved mom's weekend away in Toronto. Um, but how how does how does a mom describe pride? Is it the same way I would have described it to my son? Or is there a different dynamic?

SPEAKER_03 41:15

You know, again, because the girls are so small, and the way we describe pride this year is gonna look different next year. And it's gonna look different when she's 10, right? Because the conversations are gonna evolve and we're gonna be able to layer on what happened to even get us to the point where we're able to celebrate, right? Like what did people have to go through before? Why is it such a big deal? That is too much for a five and a three-year-old right now. And so pride to them and pride to us when we're explaining it is really celebration of families, celebration of love, celebration of families, celebration of how everybody is living their own truth, right? And our truth looks different than somebody else's truth, and that's what makes it beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 41:57

I I feel a little children's book coming on with you. Me.

SPEAKER_03 42:01

So with Kathleen is a children's author. So Anna has actually uh written a book.

SPEAKER_02 42:07

I've written eight. No, I have, and one of them is about uh they're all animals, like so. There's Ellie the elephant in the memory tree, there's Sydney the forgetful squirrel, there's also um Benny the Badger and his two dads. So it's about um, you know, all and they all live in the same ecosystem. So I'll you know what? I'll send you some copies. That is they're just in PDF right now. Sorry, Anna's Anna's writing.

SPEAKER_03 42:32

Is that her is that her vocation or does she I think it actually so she wrote a book called I Am Mom, and it's about how moms show up in all the places you would unexpect them to show up. So it's about a mom being a doctor and a mom being a pilot and a mom being a firefighter. And she wrote it as she was battling, you know, postpartum and finding herself. And it was like, okay, so now I'm this mom, but I'm still a hairstylist and I'm still a friend. And, you know, why is the term being a mom so limiting? You know, why do you think that moms just work at an office or, you know, they just, you know, have this reception job or they're just stay-at-home moms? And so she wanted to write a book that represented moms everywhere and to inspire little girls that you can be a mom, but like you can still be a police officer. Those two things can exist, right? And so, yeah, it would be beautiful to write a book about having two moms and pride, but pride is just such a beautiful thing. And I think at any age, how we explain it is that it's your journey, but it's a journey that's bringing everyone together. And that's what I love about pride. It brings everyone together, yet everybody's on their own path. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:41

One of the things I love about pride is you never get that question, why are you here? Me meaning like the big fat straight guy with a you know, eyes.

SPEAKER_03 43:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:51

Well, I kind of look like a bear.

SPEAKER_03 43:53

Yeah, you're giving bear and you said that you give bear hugs. So it's inclusivity, right?

SPEAKER_00 43:57

It's nice to be it's it's about love. It's about acceptance.

SPEAKER_02 44:01

It is, but I love the fact like you know, remember in high school you go to you go somewhere in high school and they're like, oh, what are you doing here? Yeah, yeah. This this is a party for the muffs.

SPEAKER_00 44:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:09

Right? But I you go to Pride and nobody nobody says they don't belong here.

SPEAKER_00 44:13

Well, because I don't think people who, you know, don't believe or you know, they have the you know, they they don't show up. It is all just people who just wrong want to be there.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

Okay, but so we've got a game we're gonna play. But before we get into it, I do want to touch on an important point that there are certain points or places in the world that do not accept this and are trying to reverse certain things. I think we can all get to that. We don't talk about politics or religion on this show, but there are certain aspects that really start to frustrate me where there is you're trying to reverse it. And but here's the other thing is that certain people in the world, Canada too, have given some people a voice to make themselves think that now they can say these things out out loud instead of shutting their mouth and going home. I'm just gonna keep my mouth closed. Now they feel empowered to say things, and we need to figure out a way to stop that, to be honest, because it's just because you can only say so many times. None of your business when you just mind your own business. Now people feel empowered to make it their business, and I think that needs to change because it's affecting. It's a really affecting. All right, sorry, I had to say that. That was deep.

SPEAKER_00 45:20

That was deep, so that was really deep.

SPEAKER_02 45:22

Okay, we're gonna play a game.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 45:24

It's called Pride or Just Normal Parenting?

unknown 45:27

That's all.

SPEAKER_02 45:28

Because it's Pride Month, we're gonna we're we've only I've only got five questions here. It's for you and Sadie, Catherine, so you get to answer both. Um, but it's did this does this happen just because it's pride or is it just normal parenting? And and we're not talking about two moms, we're talking about all overall parenting, okay?

SPEAKER_01 45:46

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:47

Someone is crying because they do not like the outfit they picked themselves. Is that parenting or pride?

SPEAKER_00 45:55

Parenting. I would say parenting.

SPEAKER_02 45:58

Okay, so I'm gonna give you a hint. The answer for everything is both. Is both. It's both.

SPEAKER_00 46:02

Is both, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:03

Um, here's another one. Um the question is there is glitter in places no glitter should be. Pride. Both. I already just said to you. I know. I are.

SPEAKER_03 46:12

I'm pride of being a dance mom. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:16

Someone spent 45 minutes getting ready, and they still say they have nothing to wear.

SPEAKER_00 46:21

Okay, well, I have all boys, so mine's pride.

SPEAKER_02 46:24

Okay. Sandy takes pride. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 46:26

Four girls in the house, that's pride.

SPEAKER_02 46:29

You were trying to keep everyone hydrated, sunscreened, and emotionally regulated. Pride or parenting?

SPEAKER_00 46:35

Both, Scott. I'm giving you both.

SPEAKER_02 46:39

Um, you bought snacks for everyone, and somehow everyone hates the snacks.

SPEAKER_00 46:43

Parenting.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

Parenting. Okay. We'll give them one to parenting. Yeah. That's the parenting one for sure.

SPEAKER_03 46:49

But their exclusive point.

SPEAKER_02 46:52

Yeah, overall, just overall parenting, but they all sounded like things that could happen at Pride.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 46:57

My wife dancing on tables with the.

SPEAKER_00 46:59

Your wife doesn't dance and I dance on tables. I'm the table dancer.

SPEAKER_02 47:04

I said, pardon.

SPEAKER_00 47:05

I said, what?

SPEAKER_02 47:06

Catherine, before we wrap up, I just wanted to thank you so much for joining us on this episode. And what like just last minute advice before we get to the fun goodbyes. Um, what would you say to someone who is Catherine at age 17 and you know, try to guide them into life moving forward?

SPEAKER_03 47:28

If I could say something to my younger self or anybody who's 17, wondering what their life will look like, just keep choosing love. When you choose love, love will find you, love will guide you, the right people will come into your life. Just keep choosing love. And if you feel like you have to change, that situation's not for you, that person is not for you, because when you choose love, the rest follows.

SPEAKER_02 47:52

That was brilliant.

SPEAKER_03 47:53

Yes, it was. That's that's that's been my guiding light. If I just stay true to who I love, everything will find me.

SPEAKER_00 47:59

It's and it's very simple. Like that's not a laundry list, you know, recipe to you know, finding happiness. It is just one simple word, which is yeah, yeah, love. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:10

Well, mine is love, and I'm always available to reach the tall shelves for everyone.

SPEAKER_03 48:16

This is why you should be at Costco. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

No, I won't. I'll kill people. I really will.

SPEAKER_00 48:21

No, no, no. You don't you don't want him in Crosscock?

SPEAKER_02 48:24

No, the carts are even bigger, and it's like, God, get out of my way. And why is that TV so cheap? I just bought it one on Amazon. It's just not fair. Um, yeah, in malls. Like, seriously, walk down the proper side of the of the mall.

SPEAKER_00 48:37

Okay, Scott. Yeah, pick a lane.

SPEAKER_02 48:39

All right, I'm still I'm gonna have like I've got a veined form.

SPEAKER_00 48:41

Yeah, no, it's coming. Yeah, I can see it.

SPEAKER_02 48:43

Catherine, thanks so much for being on the show. We really appreciate it. Uh, we hope to have you back. Like, as the girls I would love to be. As the girls start to get older, and by the way, if from a father of a 21-year-old, it's only going to get worse. Two mom family or not, you're gonna be raising teenagers before you know it.

SPEAKER_00 49:03

Teenage girls, too.

SPEAKER_02 49:04

Drink.

SPEAKER_03 49:05

I know. Good luck. There's a lot of hormones in the house already. Oh my god. She's open.

SPEAKER_02 49:11

Okay, so if my timing is right, because Sadie's going through it right now, as your daughters are going through puberty/slash teenage years, you and Anna will be going through paramenopause.

SPEAKER_00 49:21

I don't want to be in that you might not want me back in those years. Uh listen, I I'm here doing it. You'll be fine.

SPEAKER_02 49:30

We should get you. We'll be in your minivan.

SPEAKER_00 49:32

We should get it. We should get them to do a podcast. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I'd like to meet her.

SPEAKER_02 49:36

All right. We're gonna we're gonna go uh stay on the line uh so we can uh find out where to send your parting gifts. Just a sec.

SPEAKER_00 49:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 49:46

What a fun, what a fun talk.

SPEAKER_00 49:48

Yeah, she was sweet. She was, she was amazing. Yeah, really puppy.

SPEAKER_02 49:51

Yeah, and I love her TikToks. Um it always shows up. I guess my FYP that's for you.

SPEAKER_00 49:55

Yeah, I was gonna say, what's FYP?

SPEAKER_02 49:57

When she was saying that, I'm like, I have no idea what that's it's basically the algorithm, and it's called a for you page. So you have a couple of different pages on TikTok for you, friends. Oh, okay. I do a STEM page as well.

SPEAKER_00 50:07

Okay, F L P.

SPEAKER_02 50:09

FYP. Four for you page.

SPEAKER_00 50:11

For you page.

SPEAKER_02 50:12

So the algorithm knows that I'm, you know, I follow her. So Okay. But it's all they're always fun, fun videos.

SPEAKER_00 50:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 50:18

I'm gonna I'll do the grocery haul videos.

SPEAKER_00 50:20

I'm gonna do a little uh follow.

SPEAKER_02 50:21

The grocery videos always frustrate me though with anyone who does them.

SPEAKER_00 50:25

Why?

SPEAKER_02 50:25

Well, because then I look and go, fuck, I didn't get eggs.

SPEAKER_00 50:29

Don't you just like skip the dishes, eggs?

SPEAKER_02 50:32

No, we use Instacart for groceries. Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm gonna skip the dishes for people.

SPEAKER_00 50:37

You love convenience.

SPEAKER_02 50:38

I do, because you know why? I need to use my brain for more important things. Well, making podcasts. That's true. Teaching you big words.

SPEAKER_00 50:48

Yeah, which I don't ever know or remember.

SPEAKER_02 50:50

So we're off to the Pride Parade tomorrow. We've got our shirts.

SPEAKER_00 50:54

We do.

SPEAKER_02 50:55

Yeah. We're we're excited about that.

SPEAKER_00 50:56

So what what is a what is a flamingo sound like? Like what what's the noise? You go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 51:02

No, you go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 51:03

Okay, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 51:04

All right, go ahead. What is a flamingo sound like? Can I sample that and just keep it on my face? Is that right? No, I haven't.

SPEAKER_00 51:13

I pictured it coming out of their neck. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to like jerky?

SPEAKER_01 51:21

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 51:25

And their beaks can't really open too much. So it's like they have to like push it out. Now you need to go on YouTube. Get the sample of it and then compare it to mine. Which, by the way, I never looked that up. So if I'm correct, and that's kind of what they sound like, I'm a fucking genius. Okay, hold on. Okay. My listeners are just on pins and needles right now.

SPEAKER_02 51:49

Occupy the guests while I I'll try one more noise.

SPEAKER_00 51:53

Hold on.

SPEAKER_02 51:53

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. Okay, hold on one sec. I'm gonna see if I can find it on YouTube. One sec.

SPEAKER_00 52:06

Listeners?

SPEAKER_02 52:06

Just a second. I think I here, here. I think I'm gonna. Okay, let me see if it'll show up.

SPEAKER_00 52:18

That's kind of like my second one. Let me try it again. Sounds like a dog.

SPEAKER_02 52:25

Yeah, it sounds like a duck.

SPEAKER_00 52:27

Like a dog duck. Like a dog duck. Here's the here's the plan. You guys are gonna make that noise as a team walking in pride tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02 52:37

Have you met our family? No. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 52:45

Happy pride, people.

SPEAKER_02 52:46

All right, rock, paper, scissors.

SPEAKER_00 52:48

Yeah. No, what the I win. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 52:52

We're out for now. You don't get to say anything after I've said out for now, especially do a flamingo sound.

SPEAKER_00 52:59

That's really hard. I'm kind of okay at it. What wait, what? What? Okay, bye.